WRC on BBC2

Gav Taylor · WRC on BBC2

does anyone know if the WRC is now shown de rigeur on BBC2?

I watched it on Iplayer and it seemed better than Daves efforts and of course longer as there wasnt a break every 30 seconds

Also nice to hear Solbergs got himself a car and is doing the 09 WRC champ.

only thing is his car will have active diffs so it wont technically be a level playing level with the M1 & M2 teams.

good to see him in tho none the less.

joe_the_waiter

BBC2 broadcasts the WRC in Ireland only. we get Dave.
remember last time BBC were the broadcasters of the WRC in britain........? it was shown one week after the events. 20 mins on Grandstand a week late.
i know which i would choose

club sec

I know the BBC coverage was great, still the best. No adverts, proper coverage of the field, not just he top half dozen, informed commentators not some half assed comedian who is just doing it as a fill in job. Loads of camera crews on the stages not just looking at the drivers face and no virtual spectator bollocks, Bring back the beeb! The original and best.

Mind you rallies were real rallies back then too.

WRC coverage is still s**t these days, if the TV company are lucky some goon catches an accident on his mobil phone.

joe_the_waiter

the BBC coverage was crap.... forget RAC rally.... that was the ONLY rally they did proper coverage of. you show me proper coverage of another WRC event by the BBC which was broadcast within a week of the event...
everyone remembers the RAC coverage but forgets that they didnt bother with the rest of the championship too much.

club sec

Take the adverts, interviews, in car footage and virtual spectator shite out of the Dave coverage and you'd be lucky if there's 10 minutes left.

BBC gets my vote any day.

Cue- Skodaman.

joe_the_waiter

BBC dont and never have produced the coverage of the WRC except for RAC where they were the host broadcaster. what good is coverage of one good rally in a championship just because it has no adverts? i want to see the whole championship and close to when it happens. I will accept adverts for this rather than no adverts / no championship.
if you watched the WRC on TV, you will notice its not like you say. Virtual spectator was used once on Rally Ireland and is hardly used these days (it was channel 4 who used it regularly.... shows when you last watched.) The whole WRC coverage for the whole championship for the whole world is produced by ISC. its 40 mins of coverage which is bought by BBC (for ireland), Dave (for mainland UK) etc. these TV companies then add their own content to that (local interest stories and bits and bobs from the shows own presenter) to create their own show that will be finaly broadcast. If you watch BBC's Ireland coverage... you will find its the same as Dave except any local interest story or anchorman additions. The rally itself is shown exactly the same. (even same commentator / commentary)

another point worth noting about BBC's coverage of RAC rally is they didnt have cameras in more places, they would put a camera on one corner and show half the field going through the same corner..... gets boring after a while. They had TWO camera crews who would place themselves at 4 ponts through a whole day (hence repeated passes through same corners) but also had a helicopter that landed at certain points and covered the TOP 10 before moving on. ISC.. have many crews and dont need to keep repeating the same corner to give an illusion of more coverage. Go on a WRC event and see how many crews go into each stage. (for example.. on sweet lamb where we were.. shots from three different parts of the stage were shown)

club sec

BBC RAC rally live first stage coverag, bulletin slots every tea time, main show in the evening and then an update before bedtime, mint.

Of course you can watch the WRC on Eurosport and wait for 3 hours whilst the tennis overruns it's slot, then get a badly packaged hour on Dave on Sunday, which you're bound to miss because it's on at a badtime.

ITV also used to do the same as BBC but the best coverage was when channel four bought in the 1987 Circuit of Ireland from RTE.

joe_the_waiter

club sec

"The drivers are all tucked up in bed by 6pm these days".

Another reason the WRC sucks compared to proper rallying of the past.

Gav Taylor

the attraction of the WRC for me is the speed and technology rather than going on all night "for the sake of it"

just my tuppence worth

club sec

AKA rallying for girls

joe_the_waiter

i agree with Club Secs view on current rallying... but i am bored moaning about it now.... no one listens and we will continyue to get 3 days of twice round the car park for the forseeable future./

i still love the sport and am happy to watch what we get on Dave.
(which by the way includes event preview... event proper... event review... other features.... JWRC.... PWRC... etc... no one else does or did that) 52 weekly programs and repeated at least twice in case you missed it. (oh... not forgetting Dave +1 which doubles everything i said

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club sec

But no=one carea about the PWRC, JWRC or IRC, as the man in the street what they are and expect a very, very blank look.

I'd rather go an see a local event than the WRC, Ireland 34 cars? Wouldn't waste my money.

joe_the_waiter

i'm not a man in the street... i'm a rally fan. so i want to watch the WRC, JWRC & PWRC.

club sec

Beg to differ, I have supported local events for 20 years, I only have so much time available to me so I have to be selective in what I do. Watching is one thing, doing is another.

Gav Taylor

chill ya selves my brothers! 3some

club sec

Bloody armchair enthusiasts.

joe_the_waiter

armchair entheusiast ????? 16 events i went to last year.... hardly armchair

skodaman

BBC vs Dave. Right, i can show you any ammount of events from the 80's covered by the BBC and the only negative was the one week delay in showing the event. it may have only been a 20 minute slot, but in that 20 mins was a far better, more informed and more balanced presentation than anything in the last 10 years by C4, ITV or Dave. If you study a modern day Dave event, there is rarely any stage footage before the first break, you spend most the time looking at the faces of the drivers and then have an interview with Loeb and maybe Hirvonen at the end of each stage. No drivers outside the top six get a mention unless they crash, and we are supposed to be excited by virtual spectator - give me a break!!
Take into the equation a 5 minute feature about something that could have been shown on a build up programme and what are you left with ??? I bet if you run the stopwatch, Dave's coverage ammounts to approx 20 mins of action, poorly presented, and without lower competitors!!!
I watch it anyway because i'm a rally fan, it doesn't mean i think it's good!

Road Rally Dave

BBC used to put World Championship events on Tiff Needell's motorsport programme. Usually about 10-15 minutes from a 30minute programme. I've got some on video somewhere - always good to watch.
Plus the BBC coverage of RAC was normally very detailed with a programme on every one of the 4 days plus a longer review near to Christmas.

bob_mck

Rallying these days is a sprint, not a marathon. The drivers now do have amazing driving skills but not the hardcore stamina of old.
As for S2000 cars, this year will be Citroen all the way due to the cost of running WRC spec cars reducing the competition, S2000 should allow more smaller teams to compete, making a diverse entry list, more of an entertaining rally and should attract more fans to the sport, giving a better atmosphere at the rally.
Also, I hope the rally goes back to the RAC days, meaning a trip in an AA truck takes less, coming from Wales is torture

Gav Taylor

club sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CGt_1AFsjU

Gav Taylor

retro cool

joe_the_waiter

good ole wooly willy,
but what good is once a year?

i think we have a situation here where reality is clouded by nostalgia. no good being stuck in a time warp.

club sec

It takes away the pain of how s**t things are these days in the namby pamby world of organic rallying.

Gav Taylor

its sadly it'll be diluted more when Super 2000 comes in next year.

but then maybe that'll allow the sport to expand as the cost inhibitors are reduced, by how far we are yet to see, I for one would like to to compare the net cost to teams for this transition and the actual running of a WRC S2000 spec car.

skodaman

Dave, it wasn't once a year, i've got several WRC events and the full british championships on tape from the late 80's!!!

joe_the_waiter

yeah... remember the BRC... world of sport, Dickie Davis... just before watching Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks..... great stuff